SOUL

I think the reason that Ralsei is able to exist in other Dark Worlds without turning into a statue is because he secretly possesses the SOUL of a Lightner. And I think that with the power of a Lightner's SOUL, Darkners can become real in the Light World and not just objects. Think about it. Why else did Spamton want to take Kris's SOUL?

Because if Ralsei said “I know what you did, SNAS” during Snowgrave would completely ruin the tension. But being able to change it to my actual name would just hit different, you know?

A lot of people love Spamton for the memes, and his bracketed text shenanigans. But you wanna know why I love Spamton? Because of his character.

When we first find Spamton, he immediately pulls you over and offers to make a deal with you. What I like about here is that he says he's not forcing you to take it, much in contrast to to Jevil who gives you no option but to play his "numbers game" once you free him.

Moving on to Spamton Neo, when he realizes that he's being held down by strings, he proposes to Kris to give him their human SOUL. Notice how his text says he wants to be big WITH Kris. More on that later.

When Susie intervenes with Rude Buster, and the battle begins, his dialogue talks about being a heart on a chain. He is aware that Kris doesn't freewill to make their own choices, and wants to help him out of it. He doesn't want Kris' SOUL for himself. He's taking Kris' SOUL, so WE can't control it anymore! He wants to be a big shot WITH Kris.

When Spamton realizes that Kris is cutting all his strings loose. A really silly, corny but sweet scene begins playing. In some of the final dialogue states that he's going himself, and his friends. See? He considers Kris a friend!

When Spamton loses his NEO powers, and realizes he'll always be held down by strings, he offers to help Kris break free of theirs (MORE EVIDENCE OF SPAMTON'S AWARENESS), so he gives the Delta Warriors a shadowcrystal and becomes a dealmaker. Compare this to Jevil, who only stopped FIGHTing because he was TIRED. He never cared for Kris and his gang. He just wanted to play.

Moving on to the Snowgrave Route of Chapter 2, Spamton NEO confronts Kris to prevent him from sealing the fountain, and getting rid of everything he had just gained. During his dialogue, he also brings up Noelle, how she wants to be free from following Kris' scary orders. He doesn't approve of how Kris treats his friends!

That is why I think Spam ton is a better character than Jevil. Feel free try debate about this in the replies.

So do your remember the vessel

So what if the vessel comes back in a certain chapter

Wait wait wait I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE THINKING HE or a She your decide what your vessel is I guess

BUT YOU ARE PROBABLY THINKING DIDNT THE VESSEL get discarded but it might have still be saved on your save and will be used in the future cause we might fight kris and the fun gang like in my other theory well who know but that just a theory please no hate just disagree or agree but no hate please it might not make sense but we’ll find out later in the chapters

What if the knight... wasn't actually a character? if the knight is as powerful as they(or perhaps it) are described as, could they possibly be not a person,but rather an object? now, the reason I think this could be the case is because the knight is known to be capable of creating dark worlds, and it is likely, if not outright known, that the soul within kris is not their own. what if the knight... is the true soul of kris, specifically the one that they would only have access to in the one instance that they make a dark fountain. something to think about.

Because Kris is controlled by Soul

And chapter 3’s theme is tv shows (and I think films)

Toby might reference Click!

So obviously I know that the player is meant to be seen as the one possessing Kris, shown by random little bits of dialogue here and there like that thing in the Spamton NEO snowgrave fight thing and basically the whole snowgrave route.

But hear me out.

What if we actually are Kris, and there is something else possessing them, which is the thing that ripped out their SOUL so it could control Kris's body for a while.

And don't get all crazy at me in the comments for saying this and giving reasons why I'm wrong and stuff like that. But this is just something I've been thinking about for a while. That could totally turn the fandom on it's head.

I think we’re all in agreement that the soul we use is ours, not Kris’s. But that begs the question—what kind of soul does Kris have? People might believe it’s another red soul, but there’s no actual evidence of that. What there is evidence for is that their soul is orange, and represents courage. Now, it’s commonly believed that orange represents bravery. These words are very similar, so there’s definitely a connection between courage/bravery and orange. Maybe varying shades (as the shades are slightly different) represent different forms of this encompassing idea.

You may be wondering where I got this shade of orange in the first place. In the King fight, Kris’s unique Act is called Courage. When using this, all the members of the party turn orange for a moment. This further solidifies the bravery—orange link.

Next up, Kris is blue in the Dark World. The Dark World can be considered to inverse color, and orange is the inverse of blue.

Last off, the name of the theme that plays upon death is called Faint Courage. And, in Undertale, the theme that plays upon death is Determination. Red most likely isn’t the color of determination, but determination is still what allows you to persist after death, so maybe the tie lies there.

I think I should acknowledge that this first Act is only in Chapter 1, and that in Chapter 2 you fight Spamton with the yellow soul. If you check the Ball Game, you’ll see that the colors are listed in a specific order… this could actually imply that the next soul mode will be blue, and that Courage is simply a Chapter 1 tie to Bravery.

What if the SOUL is like a parasite that slowly completely takes over its victim's mind and eventually completely gets rid of their free will, giving it to the player, like what if Frisk was just completely taken over by the SOUL but Kris is still in the earlier phases of the infection and is still trying to resist? Just a stupid thing I thought of. (Also I know Undertale and Deltarune are unrelated but they both have the SOUL so it's just something I thought of that's probably wrong idk.)

If Spamton wants Kris' soul so badly to achieve "freedom" or whatever then why the hell does he fight him and destroy his soul completely?

1. SOULS ARE REQUIRED TO LIVE.

2. SOULS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO LIVE IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH DETERMINATION. THIS IS WHY FRISK CAN LIVE IN SP ROUTE, WHY FLOWEY CAN SURVIVE WITHOUT A SOUL, WHY KRIS CAN REMOVE HIS SOUL FOR A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, AND WHY DARKNERS DO NOT NEED A SOUL. DARKNERS ARE JUST USING THE DETERMINATION OF THE LIGHTNER WHO CREATED THE FOUNTAIN.

3. FRISK DOES NOT HAVE A SOUL IN SP ROUTE, THEREFORE WE CANNOT BE PLAYING AS THE RED SOUL IN UNDERTALE.

4. FRISK NEVER SHOWS SIGNS OF NOT WANTING TO DO THE CHOICES THAT WE TELL THEM TO DO, UNLIKE KRIS.

CONCLUSION ONE: IN UNDERTALE WE ARE NOT PLAYING AS THE RED SOUL, WE ARE PLAYING AS FRISK. FRISK AGREES WITH EVERYTHING WE DO SIMPLY BECAUSE WE ARE FRISK.

1. KRIS SHOWS CLEAR SIGNS OF NOT WANTING TO DO THINGS THAT WE MAKE THEM DO, SUCH AS SAYING THAT THEY ARE FINE AFTER SPAMTON NEO.

2. WE CAN CONTROL THE RED SOUL, AS EVIDENCED BY LITERALLY THE ENTIRE GAME.

3. WE CANNOT CONTROL KRIS WHEN THE RED SOUL IS NOT INSIDE KRIS. AS SHOWN IN THE ENDING OF CHAPTER ONE, WE ARE STILL CONTROLLING THE RED SOUL IN THE BIRDCAGE.

4. KRIS PUTS THE RED SOUL BACK INTO THEMSELF. KRIS EITHER CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT THE RED SOUL OR WANTS THE RED SOUL INSIDE OF THEM.

CONCLUSION TWO: WE PLAY AS THE RED SOUL IN DELTARUNE, AND ARE CAPABLE OF FORCING KRIS TO DO THINGS THAT THEY DO NOT WANT TO DO. KRIS IS SEPARATE FROM THE RED SOUL.

CONCLUSION THREE: KRIS CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT THE RED SOUL FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME BECAUSE HE DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH DETERMINATION.

1. THE RIVER PERSON SAYS TO BEWARE OF THE MAN WHO CAME FROM THE OTHER WORLD. SINCE IT IS NOT GASTER. IT IS PROBABLY SANS. (THERE ARE OTHER POSSIBILITIES, BUT THIS IS THE MOST LIKELY)

2. SANS IS KNOWN TO HAVE EXTENSIVE KNOWLEDGE ABOUT TIMELINES AND ALTERNATE REALITIES.

CONCLUSION 4: SANS FROM UNDERTALE IS SANS FROM DELTARUNE.

QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED:

IF WE ARE NOT THE RED SOUL IN UNDERTALE, WHO IS?

DO DELTARUNE AND UNDERTALE EVEN HAVE THE SAME RULES OF SOULS?

WHO EXACTLY IS SANS?

WHAT ROLE DOES GASTER HAVE IN ALL OF THIS?

ARE THERE DARKNERS IN UNDERTALE?

WHAT EXACTLY ARE GONERS?

WHO IS THE KNIGHT?

WHAT IS THE ANGEL'S HEAVEN AND WHO IS THE ANGEL?

From what see, when an enemy attacks and after an enemy is done attacking, the SOUL goes out of and back into Kris, even when Kris isn’t in battle (via Vs. Susie fight). When Susie, Ralsei, or Noelle get targeted for an attack, the damages effects them through the SOUL being used. Does the SOUL have some weird effect-connection thing on them, or is it suppose to be some weird representation of them being attacked normally without the SOUL?

From what I imagine, the SOUL floats over or ”sticks” onto who is targeted for an attack, or has some red aura thing on them that is tied to the SOUL.

There’s been a lot of deep discussion about the SOUL on this wiki as of late. Specifically, the Red SOUL. Originally, everyone was happy and content with the idea that we were the Red SOUL, but now nobody’s sure about the truth about anything. So, here’s my theory.

The SOUL and body aren’t the only parts of a complete being.

Let me explain. Many things said by characters imply that the SOUL isn’t just us. It is referred to like a container by Ralsei (“Within, it holds your WILL, your COMPASSION…”) and like a power by Spamton (“I JUST NEED THAT LITTLE S O U L YOU HAVE). But it’s never referred to as us. It’s referred to as ours. This means that either we are the body (nope) or we are something else. Thus, the Triple-Part Being Theory (in your face Descartes and the entire philosophical concept of dualism). The body is the physical center of a being, and how it affects everything around it. The consciousness is the being’s personality and identity, and its mental center. The SOUL is the go-between: it dwells in the physical world, but isn’t mental or physical. It’s the emotional center of the being, and the bridge from mind to body. And Determination is a force that is created by the mind’s attachment to the physical world, binding it to certain places in time and space. With enough Determination, a mind could theoretically control a body without a SOUL.

This theory solves most of the major problems, namely how the SOUL is Kris’s and ours: both our consciousnesses are inside one SOUL (or maybe more, if there really is a third entity inside Kris’s already over inhabited body). But what about Darkners? They seem to have no SOUL, but are still alive. Also, they have no Determination, as said by Queen. The answer: their consciousnesses are only in their Dark World form. The Dark World is a nonphysical place, which is why the Lightners “wake up” when the Dark Fountain vanishes. And Dark Fountains are like pathways between the physical and nonphysical, which makes sense because of the Determination. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

So you know how Kris opened up the Dark Fountain? Well, what if in a future chapter, we get to fight Kris as the SOUL. Because you control the SOUL right? So you fight Kris and in the background, Susie and Ralsie try to help you!

So, getting straight to the point, during the intro sequence where you create a vessel which will eventually be discarded, a voice speaks to you with no letter-noise, all-caps, with some spaces between the letters, and the glowing luminescence surrounding the font.

Some people think this is The Knight for various reasons. I do feel like anyone is allowed to have their own opinion, but I am expressing my own here through a theory :

When you LOSE in Deltarune, an entity speaks with the same font characteristics as the speaker in the Another-Him sequence, and asks if the Player is willing to persist further.

Hear me out in here, if the speaker was in fact, The Knight, then why would they want the Player to persist if they are willing to bring The Roaring?

Some may contradict this by saying the Knight is Kris, and that they are the one who wants the player to persist, but I disagree with the theory of Kris being The Knight, because as Queen states in Chapter 2, any lightner with enough determination is able to create a dark fountain, Kris only used this information to their advantage so that they can go on more adventures with the gang to cope with being isolated from their brother, Asriel.

That's my theory, at least. Would love to hear your thoughts.

have a theory that explains why all dialogue portraits in Undertale (And light world portraits from Deltarune) are black and white.

Why? Because of soul colors.

In-game, you literally see that monster souls are white. Dialogue portraits are also white. This, along with the fact that the ONLY dialogue portraits you see in Undertale are of monsters (And the only light world portraits you see in Deltarune are of monsters) inclines me to believe that if there were potentially a dialogue portrait of a human (in Undertale and Deltarune) it would be the same color of the human's soul. Now, before you say "But Soul, what about Flowey and darkners!" I'm GETTING to that, okay? Now, Flowey was soulless for most of Undertale, but confusingly, his dialogue portrait was never fully-colored throughout the entire game, even with acquiring so many souls.

And the darkners (I think Ralsei is a good example), without souls, ALWAYS have a colored dialogue portrait.

Well, this inclines me to believe that the dialogue portrait is always the color of soul that said being was BORN with, and darkners never HAD a soul in the first place, therefore their dialogue portrait is in full color. Buuuuuut that's just a theory! (Game theory reference) But it could also fully well be true.

Are monster souls the same as human souls in Deltarune? The page says human and monster Lightners have a soul, but doesn't specifically describe what soul they have, is it a white upside down soul, or is it a red right-side up soul?

So you know how printers require cyan, magenta, and yellow ink in order to print with color? It had me thinking about Spamton’s color scheme, but I could be wrong. Spamton wears pink and yellow glasses, and he makes you use the soul of justice, which is yellow, and uses teal attacks. Teal is typically mistaken for cyan, and pink he wears on his glasses appears to be closely related to magenta. I was thinking about how Spamton’s shop’s light world equivalent is the recycling bin of printed out spam emails. Again, printing typically requires cyan, magenta, and yellow ink. Idk, I was just having a moment and thought I should write this somewhere. It sounds like a stretch to me, what do you think?

So you know how printers require cyan, magenta, and yellow ink in order to print with color? It had me thinking about Spamton’s color scheme, but I could be wrong. Spamton wears pink and yellow glasses, and he makes you use the soul of justice, which is yellow, and uses teal attacks. Teal is typically mistaken for cyan, and pink he wears on his glasses appears to be closely related to magenta. I was thinking about how Spamton’s shop’s light world equivalent is the recycling bin of printed out spam emails. Again, printing typically requires cyan, magenta, and yellow ink. Idk, I was just having a moment and thought I should write this somewhere. It sounds like a stretch to me, what do you think?