I have an interesting idea. What if the secret bosses are all going to represent the stages of grief? Jevil is Acceptance, and Spamton is obviously Bargaining. If so, what comes next?
I have an interesting idea. What if the secret bosses are all going to represent the stages of grief? Jevil is Acceptance, and Spamton is obviously Bargaining. If so, what comes next?
Okay, we get a exponentially large amount of Gaster references in Deltarune Chapter 1 & 2. I shall list all the ones I know of, and all the reasons why the evidence points to Gaster being the "Roaring Knight", or an acquaintance of the Knight.
(P.S. I shall leave out musical cues as they are there to set a theme and not directly reference Gaster.)
Okay, the first evidence Gaster is important is that you cannot name yourself or your vessel "GASTER". Upon naming the vessel "GASTER", the game resets. If you name the creator "GASTER", the game outright crashes and needs to be restarted. I believe this is because Gaster was "Consumed by his invention", and is not an invention or creation himself, and also because he is a creator, but not of our insignificant vessel.
Entry number 17 dictates:
"Entry Number Seventeen. Dark. Darker Yet Darker. The Darkness Keeps Growing. The Shadows Cutting Deeper. Photon Readings Negative. This Next Experiment Seems Very Very Interesting...What Do You Two Think?"
We can also assume that because his followers state he was attempting to create a portal from the Underground to a Dark World, he somehow created a Dark Fountain. This is exemplary evidence to attest that either the Knight is Gaster himself, or a follower of Gaster who learnt from him, as they are successfully creating Dark Fountains, as Gaster himself did, preceding his death. One of his followers states that he was blown across "Time and space", which means he may have been sent to Deltarune's universe, perfected his arts, and is now attempting to gain power in this new universe.
BUT!
Now onto less interesting, but more viewable matters.
- Seam and Jevil - Seam states that Jevil encountered a "Mysterious someone" and was never quite the same afterwards, saying things "That didn't entirely make sense. But didn't entirely bit make sense either." This isn't really a testament to Jevil somehiw meeting Gaster, but what Seam says next may be. Sean goes on to say, after imprisoning Jevil, his worldview became "Darker yet darker."
This is an obvious reference to Gaster. This particular sentence stands out from the rest of Seam's text though, because it is oddly archaic, and sounds like something Roulxs Kaard would say, and not Seam. This could possibly be because Seam is referencing an anecdote, because he himself may possibly have met Gaster, or may be repeating a conversation overheard between Jevil and this "Mysterious someone". The text is not put in quotation marks, but it doesn't have to be, as the text is seen from Kris's point of view, and Kris wouldn't necessarily know if what Seam is saying is an anecdote, or a mere turn of phrase.
I cannot prove that Seam is saying an anecdote or reference, but his speech is an obvious reference to Gaster, and for good reason, I assume.
- Spamton - Did Spamton come into contact with Gaster? Yes. He did. If the Addisons aren't lying. Let's start from the beginning. In the beginning, Spamton was an Addison, albeit a very unsuccessful one, who would often preach about becoming a "Big Shot" and surpassing his peers. Eventually, "He made a call", and suddenly his business was booming, booming so much that Queen actually gave him a private room in her mansion.
I know what you're saying; "But, 22 Caliber Rifleman, wasn't it Mike on the other end of the phone?"
It wasn't. If we try to call using the CELL in the Dark World, we get "Garbage noise", which is a sound that was made by Gaster himself. We can assume all phones emit this noise. Furthermore, an Addison states that "When I went to check in him, all I saw was a phone hanging by the receiver...I could still hear a voice on the other end...But when I put it up to my ear...All I heard was garbage noise..."
Spamton was somehow communicating with Gaster through the garbage noise. Gaster speaks in Wing Dings (Wing Dings Gaster), which currently has no known pronunciation, and so what Gaster says would sound incoherent and garbled. The Addison did hear a voice. He heard Gaster's. However upon closer inspection, he didn't hear words.
Now, we must conclude that Spamton went insane as soon as he heard the voice (Possibly like Jevil), otherwise he must have some sort of multilingual skills unknown to anyone else. He would have already been distraught at being bankrupt, then became drunk with power and popularity, then became certifiably insane as he was left behind. He also says
WHAT ARE THESE STRINGS?!
WHY AM I NOT [BIG] ENOUGH?!
IT'S STILL DARK! SO DARK!
Starting to see a pattern?
It seems that each known secret character went insane at the most a few days before Kris and co. entered their Dark World, presumably as Gaster left hastily after creating the Dark Fountain.
It is a personal theory of mine that the Knight is making certain people go insane to test Kris and co.
The Knight is deliberately making people go berserk as to observe the morality and perseverance of the group.
But why?
As Seam says; "I doubt any of this will matter in the end."
But is he wrong?
If you defeat a secret boss through violence, you get an object that either caused them pain (Spamton's wires), or they used to inflict pain (Devilsknife). However, if you defeat them through ACTs, you get something that defines them as a person (Jevil's tail and Spamton's glasses). This is perhaps a test.
Or possibly the Knight and the secret bosses have no relation.
This is almost impossible.
I shall continue later. I shall sleep for the other 100 years.
So, you all heard of chess theory, right? But what if it wasn't chess?
In a deck of cards, you have the King, Queen, Jack, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, and Ace.
King and Queen, obviously, but what if
Hear me out
Headphone jack.
I don't need to elaborate on the death of the headphone jack; Android and Apple are just getting rid of it entirely (Look it up), and microphones sometimes use those jacks.
I don't have an excuse for the numbers, but Jevil was a secret boss, and he was a card. Spamton (Reach) is element 6, so he's the 6 card maybe?
If we assume the final boss is the player, then Ace kind of works, the lonely heart in the middle representing the player.
If the second to last is Kris (For some reason), we can connect it by realizing he's always "Number 2," with no trophies to his name.
(edit: realized that I confused bosses with minibosses, so I'll connect mike I guess
A Microphone Jack also works too, but eh.
If chapter 4 has a light world boss, or it goes into the dark world, maybe it'll be like a scoring system or something and it's rated 10/10 or something???)
Just a crack theory. Bye!
Upon defeating either of the known secret enemies in Deltarune Chapter 1 or 2, Jevil and Spamton G Spamton respectively, you can obtain 2 of 4 items.
When a secret boss is defeated, you will obtain 1 ShadowCrystal, an either a peice of armour or a weapon, depending on how you beat them. If you defeat a secret boss through violence, they give you a weapon, and if you deafet them through ACTs, they give you armour.
Jevil - Upon defeating Jevil through violence he will give you DevilsKnife, a scythe-ax hybrid. The weapon is exclusive to Susie and greatly increases her AT and lowers Rude Buster TP by 10. Jevil hints that he himself is the blade, when saying: "TAKE ME AND DO YOUR STRONGEST!" this is further confirmed as when attempting to equip the blade to Noelle, she comments that it is smiling at her. When defeating Jevil through ACTs, he gives you Jevilstail, which can be equipped to any character, and increases both AT and DF. It appears as though Jevil actually gives you his tail, as when he fades away you can see the item cosmetics for a few moments, and it's description matches Jevil's actual tail. In Chapter 1, when attempting to sell Jevil's items, Seam has generic dialogue when refusing to accept them; "Y'think I WANT that?" However, in Chapter 2, the merchants have unique dialogue when refusing to purchase them. If Susie has Devilsknife equipped when fighting Tasque Manager, she comments on it and confirms she has met Jevil before.
Spamton - Spamton is unique in the sense that, because he is also a merchant, you can obtain a total of 8 unique items from him.
- SPotion - SPotion is a poison, and will deal damage to any player that drinks it. It can be sold at shops. When given to your teammates, they will play it off and thank you for the drink, assuming you were unaware it was poison.
- "The Big One" - The big one is a sword that is broken into two pieces, and completely unusable. In the store window it claims to raise AT by 5 quintillion points, but actually cannot be equipped by anyone. Even though the item is referenced as "Broken", Malius cannot fix or fuse it. It sells for 1 Dark Dollar.
- B.Shot Bowtie - The B.Shot Bowtie has the same name as the one sold by Swatch in the queen's castle, however is actually very much damaged. When purchased, it's name changes to "FrayedBowtie", and it "Seems to have lost much of it's defensive value." In contrast to Swatch's B.Shot bowtie, which has the brand name cut off, Frayedbowtie increases AT by 1 and Magic by 2, whereas Swatch's increases DF by 2 and AT by 1.
- Keygen - The Keygen is a cyberhacking tool sold to you by Spamton, and is unique in the sense that it is the only store-bought item in the game that can only be purchased once. It is needed to bypass the Queen's cyber security, and enter the basement. It's price is ever fluctuating, changing every beat in rhythm the song played in the background. It goes from 8 Kromer to 50,872 Kromer, and the price freezes when interacted with. After the Keygen is purchased, when TALKing with Spamton, when talking about OUR DEAL, his face flashes rainbow with a action song playing in the background as he says "KEYGEN".
The Keygen cannot be sold.
- EmptyDisk - EmptyDisk is not actually obtained from Spamton himself, but is obtained when entering the basement as Spamton's request. The EmpryDisk is found in the rightmost corner of the basement in a broken down machine. It is useless unless given to Spamton. The EmtyDisk cannot be sold.
- LoadedDisk - Upon giving the EmptyDisk to Spamton, he transfers himself and his entire shop onto the disk, giving it the name "LoadedDisk". When interacted with it seems to be "Smiling in your hand." After transferring Spamton into the disk, the entire shop turns black and white, with the song playing in the background now playing 30% slower. The LoadedDisk cannot be sold. If Kris tries to put the LoadedDisk into the mannequin, it will "Squirm and wouldn't fit." Once the LoadedDisk is placed back into the broken down machine, Spamton NEO will ambush you on your way out of the basement, initiating the secret fight. If interacting with the Addisons with it in your inventory, they will talk about Spamton, or more, how they WON'T talk about Spamton. The LoadedDisk cannot be inserted into the mannequins at CastleTown if kept whilst in Cyber City.
- PuppetScarf - PuppetScarf is obtained by defeating Spamton through violence, and is "For those that abandon healing". It is exclusive to Ralsei, and when equipped caps his AT at 22, and minimises his magic at 7, healing 35 HP. By it's description, it appears to be constructed from the wires that held Spamton NEO's form up. It cannot be sold. This item is given to you automatically upon completing the Snowgrave route.
- DealMaker - Dealmaker is obtained by defeating Spamton through ACTs, and by it's description appears to be his glasses, or a replica of them. They can be equipped to anyone. When equipping them to Ralsei, he says: "...Two pairs of glasses?", which gives us insight as to why Spamton's glass lenses are mismatched in size. It most notably lowers Cat/Puppet damage by 40%, and increases monetary gain by 30%. They cannot be sold.
- ThornRing - The ThornRing is sold to you by Spamton after freezing every opponent in Cyber city with Noelle's Ice Shock attack. He sells it to you "FOR THE PRICE OF MY FAVOURITE YEAR!", 1997 Kromer. It deals damage to Noelle during fights, lowering it to 55. It also makes all of her spells TP lower by 50%. It is essential to posses this item if you want to continue on with the Snowgrave route, as if ThornRing is not possessed, the Snowgrave spell costs an impossible 200% TP. It furthermore changes her title and description. Spamton seems to have a lot of meta-knowledge about it, as if you defeat him through violence in the first encounter, he says you should have been violent earlier, and maybe you could have purchased his [Commemorative Ring], as he calls it. The item is exclusive to Noelle, and cannot be sold. It is the most powerful obtainable item in the game, capping both Noelle's AT and Magic, and allows the player to kill Berdly. If the Snowgrave route is abandoned after purchasing the item, you can keep it in your inventory. It can be fused with a PureCrystal to create a TwistedSwd. Because a PureCrystal is not actually obtainable yet, neither is the TwistedSwd.
- Pipis - Pipis is not actually an obtainable item, but can be used by Kris during the Snowgrave fight with Spamton NEO to heal 120 HP. During the Snowgrave route, Pipis themselves appear as enemies, contrary to being projectiles used by Spamton during his Basement fight. They attack by self-destructing and firing mini-Spamton heads around the battle board. During Spamton NEO's Snowgrave fight, he also has a unique attack that matches the attack of the Pipis when interacted with individually outside if the fight. Pipis are blue egg-like entities, described by Spamton as "My [eggs]", yet when Checked during a fight, are described as an invasive species of Clam. Spamton can also use Pipis to heal himself during the Snowgrave fight. Pipis are unique in the sense that they are fightable ENEMIES, usable ITEMs, and WEAPONs used by a Boss, making them the most versatile entity in the game. A Pipis with a pink bowtie tied around it can potentially be seen during the Snowgrave route. It has no special properties other than it's cosmetics.
Spamton is also unique because he is the only merchant not to BUY items from you, and his SELL section is replaced by BUYMORE! After defeating him in the basement, Swatch will talk about him, calling him "Once a valued customer." The Addisons can also be seen lined up outside his shop, and they will speak of his origins.
Spamton refers to Jevil as a [Clown around town], and appears to heavily dislike him, exclaiming he feels sick after Jevil is mentioned. He also knows of the Chapter 3 Boss, Mike, and warns us not to believe anything we see on TV, because Mike is a criminal.
Or will the ending be the same even if you just fight your way through everything and never recruit anyone or collect any Shadow Crystals?
It's a sad day for Spamton fans.
But the people have spoken! Your demands will be delivered!
First, we'll start with her stats. Like the previous, we'll be taking directly from her boss stats, minus HP. (1510 HP? DANG she is beefy)
ATTACK: 10
DEFENSE: 0 (😭 💀)
MAGIC: 7.5 (Decided to use her Giga Queen attack stat)
HP: 200 (LV 1), 230 (LV 2), 260 (LV 3)
GUTS: 4
Cosmetic Stats:
Humor: 10
Beauty: 9
Mothering: 5 (16 is Lancer is in the party)
Computer: Yes
We will now do Queen’s titles! I’m actually not too sure how to go about these, but I’ll try my best! :D
Cyber Queen: Queen of the Cyber World Darkners. (Default)
Potassium Craver: Must…Attain…Potassium (If Queen has seen a Banana recently)
Girldad: Third “dad” of a Spade. (If Lancer has called Queen Girldad recently)
Queenie Beanie: The Queen to the King. (If King and Queen are in the same room, and have interacted)
Thrashed: Queen of getting her butt thrashed. (If the Thrash Machine is brought up around Queen. I'M TOO INNOCENT TO SWEAR GET OFF MY CASE 😭)
Now for the spells! :D
Drama: Causes drama on the enemy side, boosting their attack for the turn, but makes them TIRED on the following. (Flavour Text: Did You Guys Hear That Blah Blah Blah…) 20 TP
Acid Shield: Queen raises her glass, causing it to rain acid on the opponent's side, doing minor damage, while also generating a shield that absorbs three hits. 50 TP
Acid Drink: Drinking from her glass, Queen heals a third of her health. If Acid Shield is active, it sacrifices one of the hits. This can be used on other party members, but will OHKO them.
Q-Action: The equivalent of S-Action, R-Action, and N-Action.
Sorry guys but that’s all I got for Queen :(
Queen cannot equip any armors. An attempt in doing so results in her saying the following.
“It’s Not In My Size LMAO”
Her only equippable weapon is her Wine glass, which boosts her defense by 2, and her attack by 1.
Now for the tea! :D
We’ll start with Queen’s reaction to other teas! :D
Noelle Tea: Oh My Circuits This Tastes Like Heaven…And ICE-E’s Pizza. (Noelle: …Thanks?) +120 HP
Lancer Tea: Ah, My Bouncing Baby Pumpkin… (Lancer: What does it taste
like? Queen: Like Shovels.) +100 HP
Berdly Tea: Ah Yes. Stomping People In Super Smashing Fighters. (Berdly: I do it all the time.) +80 HP
Susie Tea: Hard Boiled Eggs! (Susie: Really?) +60
Kris Tea: College Vacay! +60
Jevil Tea: Online Drama! (Jevil: DRAMA! DRAMA!) +60
Ralsei Tea: This Is Tasteless. (Ralsei: Oh…) +0
We’ll make reactions for other Party Members if Queen had her own tea! :D
Lancer: It tastes like love! (Queen: Okay LMAO)
Berdly: Ah, a Battery Acid Pie. (Queen: …You Actually Ate That Pie?) +80
Noelle: It tastes…comforting. (Queen: Staring…Tapping…To Avoid Pain) +80
Kris: … (Queen: Kris Say Something!!!)
Susie: Hell yeah skateboards! (Okay LMAO)
Jevil: HELL’S ROAR BUBBLING FROM THE DEPTHS… (Queen: Okay LMAO) +50
Queen: Potassium. Lol Jk It's Water. +10 HP
Ralsei: Why can't I taste anything? (Get A Search History And Try Again Later. Thank You.)
And that's Queen for y’all! This next one will surprise you all!
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This has been an edit war on the Queen page for a couple days, so I'm bringing it here.
Anybody who has an opinion on the question in the title, please reply with it and your reasoning. If you don't come to an agreement or compromise, I'll dictate, if only to keep it from clogging the edit logs. The page history is not the place for these arguments; this is.
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What if Jevil did more than give you a Jevilstail, or hang out as a knife in your inventory? This post will explore that! :D
Like with the previous characters, we will start with his stats. These will be pulled from his boss fight, except of course for HP. (We are not giving him 3500 HP what the frick)
ATTACK: 10
DEFENSE: 5
MAGIC: 10
HEALTH: 200 (LV 1), 230 (LV 2), 260 (LV 3)
GUTS: 11
Cosmetic Stats:
Trickery: 15
Mischief: 13
Insanity: 666
Now for his titles! I'm not too sure what to do for these, but I'll try my best
Chaos Agent:
If defeated violently:
An agent of CHAOS, he became DEVILSKNIFE to the pocket, but got bored and his now your party member.
If defeated pacifistically:
An agent of CHAOS, he gave JEVILSTAIL to the pocket, and joins your side in battle.
(Both serve as default titles)
Clown Around Town: That darned clown around town. (If Spamton has interacted with Jevil recently)
The Knight's Court Jester: Awaits the shadow of the Knight's hand to engulf the world in DARKNESS. (If the Roaring Knight was brought up around Jevil)
And the reason you guys clicked on this post, his spells!
Chaos Roll: Serves the same purpose as the Pirouette act during his boss fight. 25 TP
Devilsknife: Turns into the Devilsknife, and strikes the enemy three times. If there are three opponents in the field, each one is hit once.
Fear Stoke: Make the enemy afraid of you with enigmatic phrase, lowering their ATTACK. 10 TO
Chaos Bomb: Deal High damage to all enemies, but costs some HP. 70 TP
J-Action: The equivalent of S-Action, R-Action, and N-Action.
Jevil's only equippable weapon is is the Devilsknife, which boosts all his stats by one, and will be his default weapon if he was defeated non-violently. If you defeated him violently, sorry, but you got a weaponless jester (so you can't have two Devilsknives) He can also wear armor like normal, but will refuse the Jevilstail, promoting the following text:
"RETURNING MY GIFT ARE WE? NO, NO! IT IS YOURS, AND YOURS ALONE!"
If Susie or Berdly were to equip the Devilsknife, he would respond as following.
We'll start with Susie, since she actually has canon flavour text to equipping the Devilsknife.
Susie: Let the games begin!
Jevil: UEE HEE HEE! BEGIN THEY SHALL!
Now for Berdly, I'll have to make something up. Hmm. Let's see here...
Berdly: It feels...off
Jevil: AREN'T WE ALL?
If someone refuses the Devilsknife, Jevil will respond the same way, regardless of who.
Jevil: COWARD! COWARD!
Now for the second reason you clicked on this post. IT'S TEATIME FOLKS!
Susie: HELL YEAH SOLITAIRE CARDS!
(Jevil: UEE HEE HEE! ENJOYING IT MY DEAR SHARK FRIEND?!) +100 HP
Lancer: WOW! So many flavors in one sip! (Jevil: YOUNG PRINCE, I AM FLATTERED, FLATTERED!) +80
Noelle: It tastes like fear...I like it... (Jevil: FEAR IS VERY TASTEFUL!) +80
Ralsei: It's...plum juice? +60 HP
Kris: !... (Jevil: YOU TASTE THE FREEDOM TOO! DO YOU NOT?!)
Jevil: THIS IS JUST WATER! OH SO BORING! BORING!!! +10 HP
Berdly: I... am not going to drink this. (Jevil: WHAT'S WRONG LITTLE BLUEBIRD? TOO SCARED? UEE HEE!)
Now for Jevils reactions to other teas! :D
Susie Tea: VIOLENCE! FEAR! CHAOS! GRAPES! (Susie: I don't know what that means but HELL YEAH!) +666 HP
Lancer Tea; I TASTE THE PUMPKIN! THE PUMPKIN! (Lancer: Ho ho ho!) +90
Kris Tea: THE FRESH TASTE OF ANOTHER SOUL IN NEED OF ENLIGHTENMENT... (Everyone except Kris: ???) +70
Noelle Tea: MISTLETOE AND FAIRIES! (Noelle: Is that a good thing?)
Berdly Tea: (No reaction)
Ralsei Tea: EW! CALM AND PEACE?! DISGUSTING, DISGUSTING! (Ralsei: H-hey...)
And that's Jevil for you guys! Hmmm. To do Spamton or Queen next?
Jevil may be right about everything being a game. The Dark Worlds and everyone in them are just manifestations of objects from the real world. Jevil went mad because he was told that he isn't real.
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Im making a card set inspired by deltarune ch 1 and I almost finished the joker card but I don’t know how to do the others for example spades I just draw many lancers
[Intro]
I can do anything!
[Verse 1]
(Up and down and up and down and)
Anything that I do is no sin!
(Up and down and up and down and))
Lea(d them feed them to the clown and)
So let the chaos begin!
(Lead them feed them to the clown and)
Up and down and up and down and)
Freedom denies the right to choose!
(Up and down and up and down and)
Lead them feed them to the clown and)
In this game, everyone will lose
(Lead them feed them to the clown and)
[Chorus]
Now we are finally free!
Everyone knows the best place to hide is insanity!
Meanwhile the world will spin!
Hypnotizing, terrorizing
Those locked within!
[Post-Chorus]
Chaos, chaos, let it rain
(All around the game of life
We laugh, we play and revel)
All these bugs are in my brain
(Don't fall off the carousel)
(Or else you'll meet the devil)
I see now a world gone blind
(All his gathered sin begat
The father to the child)
That is how I found my mind
(What a mess we're in but now
The joker's running wild!)
We're created just to die
(All around the game of life
We laugh, we play and revel)
Mortal sin's the reason why
(Don't fall off the carousel
Or else you'll meet the devil)
I can't stop what I've begun
(All his gathered sin begat
The father to the child)
Might as well have so much fun!
(What a mess we're in but now
The joker's running wild!)
[Bridge]
When the light is running low
And the shadows start to grow
And the places that you know
Cut away the afterglow
There's a light inside your soul
Slowly shrinking in the cold
From the truth deep down you know
And yet darker we will go
[Refrain]
Can't you see?
Your world's a fantasy!
All around the game of life (Up and down and up and down and)
We laugh, we play and revel
Your world's a fantasy!
Don't fall off the carousel (Up and down and up and down and)
Or else you'll meet the devil
Your world's a fantasy!
All his gathered sin begat (Lead them feed them to the clown and)
The father to the child
Your world's a fantasy!
What a mess we're in but now (Lead them feed them to the clown and)
The best place to hide is insanity!
The joker's running wild!
All around the game of life (Up and down and up and down and)
We laugh, we play and revel
Don't fall off the carousel (Up and down and up and down and)
Or else you'll meet the devil
All his gathered sin begat (Lead them feed them to the clown and)
The father to the child
Uee-hee-hee!
What a mess we're in-
[Outro]
Your world's a fantasy!
Spamton hates Jevil
Spamton talks about how he wants to become BIG and lool into HEAVEN (Angel's Heaven?) and he even has a mini ANGELic version of himself that heals you when you press F1 during the encounters with him.
Jevil (J-evil or Devil with the D replaced by J )
Can turn into "The Devil's knife" (which is a scythe and certainly NOT a knife) and during his battle he says "My hearts go out to all of you sinners!" if I remember correctly. All this is HELL related.
Do you guys think this will be a pattern every Secret Boss will follow? Please tell me your thoughts.
(Heh... The Demon's Hell.)
Is the Jevilstail/Puppetscarf Jevil/Spamton? Or are only the canon items themselves? If the second one, what happened to them?